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Some of them were illegal, the kids became daca and some became naturalized. but you are never part of the american dream. that's why it's important to develop an immigration system that lets people become part of the american dream, otherwise it's just a class system. they want to invite people into the worst scenario almost because now they are living in the shadows. step your money back to mexico for mexican migrants and it's a mess and they know it. >> i don't like anyone who is here "living in the shadows" and we know the people living in the cities like new york and d.c., and none of the...

Ability to find safer competitors to facebook and instagram so those young people aren't placed at risk in the way that they are right now. benjamin: there was a big story that came can out of the facebook of the wall street journal release which facebook has millions of vip users who are able to get around some of their enforcement rules, evidence ebbing toughly he creating -- effectively creating a class system where some had to play by the rules. some are saying we're not allowed to speak our minds freely. how dangerous is that at the moment as well? >> that's hypocrisy. facebook advertises...

Damaging, and that would be if the people who want to hustle are in and are -- they are favored over those who are remote. this, i think, is perhaps a bigger issue. if you have a situation, we know that women, particularly working mothers of young children, and we know that people of color are more likely to say that they prefer remote working. if you have the people on the premises being favored, getting the promotions, getting the raises, getting the opportunities, whereas those who are remote do not, then you have a class system that exacerbates what we already know are the issues that thes...

>> how do you deal with the class divide element of this? a ceo friend of mine said to me about those of us who do think there will be a greater hybrid model, he said to me, the ceo management loves this idea. they all have large suburban houses with home offices. but the younger kids, they don't have that. they're living four or five to an apartment, so they do want to come back to the office. is there a divide here? >> there's a couple ways this could play out. one might be that the people who are -- the younger people want to come in because they want to get away from their roommates and th...

Damaging, and that would be if the people who want to hustle are in and are -- they are favored over those who are remote. this, i think, is perhaps a bigger issue. if you have a situation, we know that women, particularly working mothers of young children, and we know that people of color are more likely to say that they prefer remote working. if you have the people on the premises being favored, getting the promotions, getting the raises, getting the opportunities, whereas those who are remote do not, then you have a class system that exacerbates what we already know are the issues that thes...