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Has a fabulous record in indiana, he just signed a right to work law which is going to make him popular with conservatives making indiana the 23rd state with that. he makes a good argument. most interesting thing he had to say, the general narrative is the economy is improving that is helping obama. he points out if you look at not unemployment, but employment percentage of americans unemployed is the lowest it has been in decades. he says that's because people have given up looking for work. interesting and telling statistic. >> two excellent interviews, thank you for the preview. >> you bet....

Would take the country over the next four years? >> i don't know if it tells you anything about where he would take the country over the next four years. it it tells what he thinks he can and can't run on. he can't run on his record so he will run against wall street and bankers and unpopular congress. if you talk to democrats they say healthcare is his greatest achievement. juan probably says that himself. a wonderful achievement. listen to the state of the union and the affordable care act is in the federal witness protection program. he doesn't want to mention it or talk about it. the speec...

And bankers and unpopular congress. if you talk to democrats they say healthcare is his greatest achievement. juan probably says that himself. a wonderful achievement. listen to the state of the union and the affordable care act is in the federal witness protection program. he doesn't want to mention it or talk about it. the speech revealed a lot about his weakness as well as the kind of arguments he will make but he will win on the class war argument, the fairness arguementment if republicans don't have a nominee who can argue back in moral terms not just practical terms i can create jobs but...

And wall street. if you talk to democrats privately about health care, they say it's his greatest achievement. it puts him in the fdr pantheon. he doesn't want to mention it. he doesn't want tos talk about it. so i think the speech revealed a lot about his weakness as well as the kind ofee arguments he's going to make. but he will win on the class argument, the class war argument, the fairness argument if republicans don't have a nominee who can argue back in moral terms. not just practical terms. i can create job, but make the moral case for freest markets ad capitalism. >> chris: juan? >> i'...

If you invested in home depot, that's fine, because the company grew. there's a big difference between financial manipulation and capitalism. capitalism is when entrepreneurs go out, investors go out, they start something real, they grow something and that has real impact. >> and you don't think that's a class war argument? >> first of all, okay, is he allowed to cite his record or not? if he's allowed to cite his record, is somebody else allowed to criticize his record or not. criticizing one businessman for one set of practices is not an assault on capitalism. i am totally for free enterpris...