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Close call. do you think today's hearing or the idea that more americans get exposed to the details in the report is going to move the needle either on the number of people who think impeachment on hearings should take place or on the opinion that people have formed about the president? >> ali, i absolutely do. and remember now, the speaker of the house has given us a ea standard of absolute -- absoluteness, of tightness, conciseness, and i think part of it is moving the political needle of the american people. when the impeachment proceedings actually started in watergate, the american people...

What joyce vance said struck me. the facts contained in the report are sufficient to prove all the elements necessary to charge obstruction of justice. the evidence is not equivocal nor is the charging decision a close call. do you think today's hearing or the idea that more americans get exposed to the details in the report is going to move the needle either on the number of people who think impeachment hearings should take place or on the opinion that people have formed about the president? >> ali, i absolutely do. and remember now, the speaker of the house has given us a standard of absolut...