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President's motivation being called into question by his critics? >> it's one of the challenges. they talk about motivations rather than the actual conduct. the president has every reason and right in this case to question why these people still have clearances if they have no need. >> eric: some would say they can get advice and rely on their experience, institutional memory. >> this is important and let's understand, one, you can give advice based on history without a clearance and you can review your notes when you did something. but a go-forward clearance implies new material. if there is ...

And the white nationalists, what ought we conclude about how welcomed he was in this white house? >> well he was clearly welcomed for some time as a key speech writer. so that welcome. i guess one question s-how fully did the white house know about his views, even a cursory clearance process should have turned up views that are offensive to americans, white nationalists. it's difficult to go to a conference that draws white nationalists and make uncontroversial remarks. just by the nature of the venue. so it raises questions about what this white house is willing to tolerate and also how well ...

Counsel for the cia and the general counsel for the department of defense. he as a lawyer would know just how dangerous a precedence this would set. it is beyond weaponizing the clearance process. what you're saying is the president will use this now like the pardon power in reverse, right? use this to stop, hinder, and obstruct justice, and commit crimes, simply because he has the right to do it. that is not why the clearance process works. as shawn put it so well, it is designed to give people access who require access to classified information, and these ex-directors need to maintain an act...

This person we picked up in yemen or afghanistan. what do you recall about this case? how should we proceed? what about what's happening in pakistan? it's to create a council of advisers, of former cia directors who don't need to go through the clearance process and look at current intelligence. it's more for the benefit of the current intelligence. the great irony is this president is denying his own cia and other agency officials access to the wise counsel of brannan now and presumably the others who are on this list. it's an extraordinary step, it is akin to the nixon enemy's list and unpre...

The whole reason mike hayden, the former cia director, the sole reason he's another person on this list, life-long republican, i believe, the reason for this in the first place is so that people like mike hayden could go to their predecessors and say, you know this person we picked up in yemen or afghanistan. what do you recall about this case? how should we proceed? what about is happening in pakistan? it's to create a council of advisors, former cia directors that don't need to go through clearance process and look at current intelligence. it's more for the benefit of the current intelligenc...