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Obama in 2012 did not vote at all in 2016. that's -- a third of those people are black. okay? do you think the russians, the interference had an impact on the black voter or is it the absence of obama on the ticket? >> i think -- to be clear-o bama will never be on the ticket again. so for so many people who were saying obama wasn't on the ticket, he'll never be back on the ticket. he won't be running for president again unless there's a constitutional amendment that i don't know about. so one, did the russian meddling affect folks who did or did not go to the polls? absolutely. the russians w...

>> i think -- to be clear-o bama will never be on the ticket again. so for so many people who were saying obama wasn't on the ticket, he'll never be back on the ticket. he won't be running for president again unless there's a constitutional amendment that i don't know about. so one, did the russian meddling affect folks who did or did not go to the polls? absolutely. the russians were complicit in releasing e-mails from the democratic national committee and the clinton campaign via wikileaks and that did influence the way that a number of people decided to engage in a general election. that is...