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That's not including the people who are partially employed, et cetera. it's not good. if romney was a good candidate, if he was a good fit for what people are looking for right now, he'd be winning. >> but the argument might be, he might not have to be. >> you were saying the june numbers and july numbers are not the same as october numbers, but i think we can expect to see october numbers very similar to what we're seeing now -- >> and romney doesn't have to run a perfect campaign. >> but it's remarkable that we're as close as we are, with the president actually with a slight lead, given at w...

While we're at it, we are adding to a list of cliches that are banned from us saying on the show. >> cliches are the roaches and terrify mates s of language ae should try to exterminate them. >> i took to twitter last night and got literally hundreds of response for what we should add to the cliche jar. at the end of the day, "at the end of the day" was the most popular one. i'd rather not kick the can down the road. let's just do this now and pivot to the cliche jar. it's a slippery slope, what we're doing right now. >> you want to rile up the base. >> we don't want to throw anyone under the ...

People don't know. what is your position. people don't like that, right? i think we saw that with george bush. they like consistency, even if they disagree with the man. >> you can make the argument you have the right to have your position evolve over time, and often that's true. fact change, circumstances change, so your opinion should change. but when you flip flop in the same day like they did on whether it's a penalty or a tax, the mandate, it's absolutely stunning. i mean it's stunning about how poorly the campaign is organized and it's stunning that someone who's a decent man like mitt r...