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For donald trump's benefit and not the benefit of his client. stormy daniels and michael cohen was a crucial part of that violation of the attorney/client relationship that stormy daniels was supposed to be able to have with her lawyer, so michael avenatti has filed a lawsuit today for stormy daniels against michael cohen and keith davidson. charging keith davidson for not supporting stormy daniels and colluding with michael cohen against his client. michael, thank you for joining us tonight. i want to begin with the last part of the text sequence in which michael cohen says he's with flotus o...

Cohen's lawyer confirmed his client made recordings of phone conversations. the attorney for stormy daniels, michael avenatti wants the recordings made public. let's bring in our political and legal experts. you heard kathleen say if the recordings included conversations between michael cohen and trump as avenatti claims that they exist, that could be a serious potential headache for the president. >> absolutely. because remember, it's only going to be privileged if the conversations were about legal advice or made for the purpose of legal advice or there is an attorn attorney/client relations...

Deal with stormy daniels, then why in the hell were you talking about it? >> why was he talking about hostages getting sent back home from north korea? >> that's where i was going, chris. that's exactly where i was going. >> it's a little different. >> it's a little different. >> don't talk about that either. >> it's not a typical lawyer/client relationship apparently. so jeffrey, let's talk to why rudy says she there. the idea of a deadline next week, obviously they're not calling the shots about when this happens or not. this is up to the special counsel. can they come out with a position wh...

And he didn't then thereafter pay it back. it's not a violation of campaign finance laws when somebody does something to support a business which cohen was involved in. and then paying it back. that's absolutely not a violation of campaign finance reform laws. and to violate the attorney client relationship, guliani is right. they're trampling all over the constitution. this required mcmaster approving what went on. of course, we know mcmaster, thank god his been fired but he's in with mueller and rosenstein and those that want to see trump run out of office. >> julie: i want to get to your op...

Against one of his condo boards. and won. >> trump loved him for it. that was the beginning of it. and then after that, they became close. it was much more than an attorney/client relationship. it was something much deeper, almost father and son, kind of thing. always hot and cold. donald trump could be yelling at them one second, and saying he's the greatest person in the world the next second. donald trump knew that michael always had his back. >> reporter: for trump, it wasn't about pedigree. cohen, who is 51, got his degree from western michigan's cooley law school and had some initial suc...