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As ferocious protector of the bush family name. peter alexander, nbc news. >> again cache the breaking news barbara bush passed away at the age of 82. jon meacham wrote a biography of george h.w. bush. he joins us by phone. thank you for taking a few minutes. that start, if you would, just describing that marriage. that relationship. it goes back so far, connecticut to texas. all the way to the top in washington, all the way to the year 2018. >> it's one of the great love stories in american politics you. they met not quite three weeks after pearl harbor in december of 1941. mrs. bush was -- b...

>> if it was minimal, why make it part of a federal court proceedings, where he said he only had three clients? what's your thought? >> it calls into question his journalistic ethics, right, what does it mean for you to have a relationship with michael cohen and you're the pit bull with regards to situations he's involved in? that's the first thing. it seems to me that fox news, its executive, they need to ask themselves the question about the integrity of their reporting. we've always been kind of concerned and questioned the cozy relationship between the trump administration and fox news. an...

Have a good relationship with her? i want to bring in foreign a fairs expert bobby gosh and eddie glock back with me. this guy's a former ambassador at large to the state department, a russia expert, said, by and large, other governments don't know whether to laugh or cry at all of this. but in russia, laughter is getting the upper hand. >> yes, i just got back yesterday from europe, from italy. he's absolutely right. there's a lot of head scratching going on all over the continent. you know, perhaps the best spin you can put on this, and you really have to stretch is that trump likes to keep ...

Read, she was out of the courtroom. >> sometimes you want cameras in the courtroom. eugene, daniel, carolyn, thank you all. one day after his u.n. ambassador announced new sanctions against russia, president trump rejected them. he wants a good relationship with moscow and isn't ready to approve those sanctions. that move is raising more questions why he is resistant to punishing vladimir putin. plus it is the biggest demographic divide of the trump era. the suburbs is versus blue collar. as we head into the midterm elections, our nbc poll shows their enthusiasm has flipped since the last midt...

Audience, he has a direct relationship with the president. it seems very hard to me, if he -- if fox disciplines sean hannity, what if donald trump tweets out, everyone, don't watch fox news, they just punished my friend, sean hannity? that is a ratings problem for the network. so, in my sense, this scandal will be a test of who has more power, fox news or donald trump? >> joyce vance, do you see any legal issues here? we're sort of looking at this as it pertains to journalism and news networks, but what about the overall case? >> so i think it is in the first instance a journalism sort of an ...