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Absence of an official engagement agreement is a little more troubling. the rules of conduct in each state require you should have an official engagement agreement evidencing the scope of a retention. the fact there is no official retention is belied by the fact sean hannity now said he did consult with or sought legal advice. so, you know, the absence of official documentation does not negate the existence of a relationship. >> we have a minute. i have occasionally had brief discussions with him about legal questions about which i wanted his input and perspective and i assume these conversati...

Michael. to use the term taint differently than the court uses it, it's that's exactly what they are trying to fight. according to cohen and donald trump's lawyers quote everything was taken. >> electron i go, safety-deposit box was looked at. >> sure. >> all sorts of documents at a house, a hotel room and office. i want to bring in vanity fair's gabe sherman. also an ms msnbc contributor. what do you make of this. you followed fox news closely. there is no secret that there is a close relationship between fox news and president trump. probably none closer than that between sean happenity and ...

They're just back to square one just like we did in the bad bill o'reilly days. >> well, he started to talk. there is a little more we got tropical system radio show he just said. i want to bring danny in this. michael never represented me in any matter. i have never retained him in the traditional sense of retaining a lawyer. i have never received an invoice from michael. i never paid legal fees to michael. katie, it would occur to me -- i don't know how it works with lawyers and clients. if he says this, he still counts as a client. michael cohen couldn't deny that he was a client in saying ...

That was the beginning of it. and then after that, they became close. it was much more than an attorney/client relationship. it was something much deeper, almost father and son kind of thing. always hot and cold. donald trump could be yelling at him one second and saying he's the greatest person in the world the next second. donald trump knew that michael always had his back. >> reporter: for trump, it wasn't about pedigree. cohen, who is 51, got his degree from western michigan's cooley law school and had some initial success in the less than genteel world of new york taxicab medallions. >> b...

The tape itself may have been unlawfully obtained under california law because it seems clear trump did not know he was being taped and california law you need the permission of the person being taped to be taped. i can imagine him calling his lawyer and saying by the way, mr. cohen, i was taped illegally. do everything you can in your power legally to stop this thing from coming out. if that happened it would be a perfectly lawful lawyer/client communication and the government would put it through a tag team. other f.b.i. and prosecutors listening to confidential material saying we won't leak...