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Attorney/client relationship. almost father and son kind of thing. and always hot and cold. donald trump could be yelling at him one second and saying he is the greatest person in the world the next second. donald trump knew that michael always had his back. >> reporter: for trump, it wasn't about pedigree. cohen who is 51 got his degree from western michigan cooley law school. >> if you looked wore micha-- w michael company hen came from, he came from a hard nose york trial firm. trump has an eye for talent. >> reporter: he has done a bit of everything.

Then went to the mat for trump against one of his condo boards and won. >> trump loved him for it. that was the beginning of it. then after that, they became close. it was much more than an attorney/client relationship. it was something much deeper, almost father and son kind of thing. always hot and cold. donald trump could be yelling at him one second and saying he's the greatest person in the world the next second. donald trump knew that michael always had his back. >> for trump, it wasn't about pedigree. cohen, who at 51 got his degree from western michigan's cooley law school and had some...

Part of this. the lawyer signed on behalf of the corporation. there is a party side to the agreement. my good friend, the counselor, is well advised and smarter than i am. >> no, i'm not. >> but i truly believe the signature is not the issue here. there are way bigger fish to fry in this thing. >> how about the bigger fish being the silencing, that according to this lawsuit there was some sort of secret arbitration that they were trying to, quote, shut up stormy daniels? >> lions, tigers and bears, oh, my moment. attorney/client relationship, attorney/client privilege. mr. cohn no, lawyer can ...

Advice, if he had an attorney/client relationship, the payment itself does not trigger it. so when he's out there dealing with russians and entering into transactions as more of a representative of the trump pri. >> jeremy bash, barbara mcquaid, thank you both very much. still ahead, hardball's chris matthews joins the table here in washington. plus, when it comes to tapping a new economic adviser, president trump promises he'll, quote, choose wisely. but so far many of his picks for top spots haven't exactly worked out. >> you chose poorly.

Weinstein that went beyond your lawyer/client relationship. that he was working to develop a project based on a book she wrote. have you heard any indication she plans to give that money back? >> well, it's like remember hillary clinton said when asked about giving the donation back. she said there is nobody to give it back to. she may use the same excuse. how do you know when you hit rock bottom? when your own company fires you, when your company has to change the name. when the academy throws you out. i think it's when lisa bloom has to leave because you are hurting her reputation. that is i...