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Defensible? >> i don't know. i mean, these have not been tested. but i'll tell you one thing that's significant in a broader way is not only do these nondisclosure agreements restrict freedom of speech, they have arbitration clauses which means that the disputes that come out go to secret arbitration. they don't go to courts. and this is happening more and more in corporate america that individuals give up their right to sue and have to agree to go arbitrate where the first amendment doesn't apply in the same way and where it's not a public proceeding and corporations and defendants do awfully...

Part of this. the lawyer signed on behalf of the corporation. there is a party side to the agreement. my good friend, the counselor, is well advised and smarter than i am. >> no, i'm not. >> but i truly believe the signature is not the issue here. there are way bigger fish to fry in this thing. >> how about the bigger fish being the silencing, that according to this lawsuit there was some sort of secret arbitration that they were trying to, quote, shut up stormy daniels? >> lions, tigers and bears, oh, my moment. attorney/client relationship, attorney/client privilege. mr. cohn no, lawyer can ...

Settlements where the women cannot speak about what happened to them or go into secret arbitration. >> right. >> with the prevalence of those closes and employment contracts. and, again, women are silenced. and so if we want to -- if we want this to keep happening to the next generations of our kids, i don't want it to happen to my kids who are 12 and 14 or anyone else who is watching, then pick up a copy of my book and hand it as a gift of courage to the next person because look what we're seeing. that chain of inspiration is so inspiring. when more women are coming forward. >> so you mention...