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Defensible? >> i don't know. i mean, these have not been tested. but i'll tell you one thing that's significant in a broader way is not only do these nondisclosure agreements restrict freedom of speech, they have arbitration clauses which means that the disputes that come out go to secret arbitration. they don't go to courts. and this is happening more and more in corporate america that individuals give up their right to sue and have to agree to go arbitrate where the first amendment doesn't apply in the same way and where it's not a public proceeding and corporations and defendants do awfully...

Say that they're for what they're against, you know. >> it's even worse than that. well, it's more ironic than that, let me put it that way. and why do i say that? listen, if kansas gets its way, which they won't, this is all strictly for show, and the reason we know it's for show is if they got their way, every gun manufacturer in america would be out of business tomorrow. why do i say that? how could that be? how could nullification lead to that? do you remember -- we always think, the federal government is so tyrannical, in 2005, the congress passed a law to strike down state, what were the...