To be conservative, turn ourselves into kind of a steady annuity, you know, steady business. but in the same time, they took on two humongous loans from deutsche banc to buy really risky properties. one was the golf course outside miami. the other was the property in d.c. where as you said they bid so much more than anybody else that people at the time thought how in the world can they make money if they're going to pay so much for this property. in those two cases they did take on loans which seems kind of variance with the all cash philosophy eric laid out. >> deutsche banc where it came fro...