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To do it, not if, how. >> saddam hussein's past use of chemical and biological weapons and the prospect of him developing a nuclear weapon make him a prime target. as does the liberation of what iraq has under the ground. >> in the first meeting, rumsfeld says, imagine, imagine if iraq was essentially a client state of the united states. imagine how that would look. if they were a friendly state. if we had primacy and access and maybe control of their oil fields. and rumsfeld is pointed about this in the first meeting, in fact, oil fields. oil fields that will be essentially our oil fields. >>...

And that's going to be our focus. the reaction of both o'neill and powell is startled. o'neill summed it up, bush basically saying i want to overthrow saddam, find me a way to do it, not if, how. >> saddam hussein's past use of chemical and biological weapons and the prospect of him developing a nuclear weapon make him a prime target. as does the liberation of what iraq has under the ground. >> in the first meeting, rumsfeld says, imagine, imagine if iraq was essentially a client state of the united states. imagine how that would look. if they were a friendly state. if we had primacy and acces...

Powell is startled. o'neill summed it up, bush basically saying i want to overthrow saddam, find me a way to do it, not if, how. >> saddam hussein's past use of chemical and biological weapons and the prospect of him developing a nuclear weapon make him a prime target. as does the liberation of what iraq has under the ground. >> in the first meeting, rumsfeld says, imagine, imagine if iraq was essentially a client state of the united states. imagine how that would look. if they were a friendly state. if we had primacy and access and maybe control of their oil fields. and rumsfeld is pointed ab...

And effectively become a client state heavily dependent on moscow. >> all right. let's see what happens. phil black in moscow, thank you. the united states and its allies are considering sanctions against russia. no sanctions have yet been imposed. but what would they look like? let's bring in cnn's tom foreman. is there some sort of competition of sanctions that actually might work? what do they have in mind? >> they don't have a military option in mind for a lot of different reasons, because it doesn't seem like it would work. when we talk about sanctions here, it becomes a very sketchy equa...

Technocratic government. i think that's what the ukrainians want. that's what the folks at the wilson center who study this think that the ukranians want. they don't want putin, and they also don't want a european-dominated government. they want their own government. >> one other point to consider is putin really is sensitive to international investment. he wants international influence. remember, he's playing the game not only in syria but in iran. in syria his client state is again in chaos, much as we see in ukraine. things are in flux with iran so this idea that somehow he is this giant an...