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Cliffdive. as charles krauthammer said, to do a cliff dive, prove your manliness and to work on breeding resentment. it's what krauthammer says, what i said, what actually thinking republicans would say. instead of saying you're a rino because you don't want to shut down the government and give president obama -- no, there are some of us who would actually like to win back the white house before we die. >> right. >> and this gets us further away from that. the sort of resentment that ted cruz plays on, may help him grab headlines, marco rubio may be wanting to shut down the government because ...

Class families and the american economy and, in fact, the world economy, aren't adversely impacted because people can't do their jobs. >> this from a president who is incurably optimistic. for him to be modestly optimistic, that says something. that means the 11th hour is here. will last-minute action be enough to avoid a fiscal cliff? to avoid a cliff dive? get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, in light of the president's remarks, will a fiscal cliff deal get done? text "a" for yes, text "b" for no to 622639 or go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. i'll bring ...

A cliff dive means blaming president obama for a big dive in the short term. jonathan allen goes on to say ooh an easier sell to constituents than a pre-cliff deal. are there members holding out to gain political ground back home, marte in? >> i don't think so. i think think that's an awfully cynical view and there are pressures on members that some of your other guests have talked about, some of the tea party members who feel like they might get a primary against them or they might not be able to be reelected if they went down this road. here's the problem. if i understand correctly what happ...

Court. >> all right. thanks to you. today's "news nation gut check. the fiscal cliff specifically an article today of "why they want to go over the cliff." there's the article. he writes in part, for many republicans a cliff dive is blaming president obama for a big tax hike in the short term and then voting to cut taxes for most americans next month. for democrats, better than setting a rich man's cutoff in the million dollar range or extending tax cuts for all earners and slashing entitlem t entitlements to appease republicans. what does your gut tell you? do they want to go off the fiscal...

I mean, what happens if we go over this cliff? >> well, you really have to distinguish between going over the cliff and quickly reversing the damage, meaning in a matter of weeks, which is still impossible. if we go over and stay over, a couple of million people will lose their unemployment benefits. eventually, taxes will increase for millions of others. the payroll tax holiday will probably be gone either way. once we go over the cliff, the economic pain will be forthcoming. >> and can be significant. give me a yes or no. are we going over the cliff? or will it be a last-minute deal? >> i th...