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That is what we need to start moving on. >> you have a reputation as a pragmatic person, you have worked with the republicans in congress, and before, there were a bunch of people sitting in the audience wearing the foil hats, to symbolize the climate change element, to put forth many conservatives think that climate change is not happening. how do they get over it? is the debate getting any less denialist over time? and how do you see the issue resolving? >> i think it is, i think it changed dramatically, i think the president having the courage to stand up and do what he did in his speech is...

A bunch of people sitting in the audience wearing the foil hats, to symbolize the climate change element, to put forth many conservatives think that climate change is not happening. how do they get over it? is the debate getting any less denialist over time? and how do you see the issue resolving? >> i think it is, i think it changed dramatically, i think the president having the courage to stand up and do what he did in his speech is to talk about how the climate surface is certain. humans are causing the climate change, they're fuelling it. that is the message that needs to be taken. >> you ...