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As you point out, he waited to see what the white house's defense was. they came up with this cockamamy idea, still a violation of law. is he likely to lie? in my mind it seems -- >> or is bill clinton? >> the third party in this with nothing to gain here's the guy that says i didn't do any of that. you sort of wonder, well who is telling the truth here now. >> sean: jay, what is the heart of what we are looking at in the blagojevich case, pay to play something of value to get out of a face. the big i think explosive detail that came out of the blagojevich case, was the idea that the obama adm...

As you point out, he waited to see what the white house's defense was. they came up with this cockamamy idea, still a violation of law. is he likely to lie? in my mind it seems -- >> or is bill clinton? >> the third party in this with nothing to gain here's the guy that says i didn't do any of that. you sort of wonder, well who is telling the truth here now. >> sean: jay, what is the heart of what we are looking at in the blagojevich case, pay to play something of value to get out of a face. the big i think explosive detail that came out of the blagojevich case, was the idea that the obama adm...