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Wrongdoing, and the process itself is politically motivated. it's more proof that the country is listening to two different narratives of the same presidency. >> joining me now is congressman tom cole of oklahoma, the top republican on the house rules committee. you saw him a lot during the impeachment vote. >> good to be with you. >> let me start with a simple question here. do you believe there was a quid pro quo? >> no. >> not at all, because there is some question, some people believe there was and it doesn't rise to impeachment. you don't believe there was a quid pro quo? >> the things we...

>> i think the big drama is going to be when we switch from closed hearings to public hearings, what happens then. we have seen the phenomenon in our poll going from 11% support impeachment down to 6% as the partisan temperature has been raised by republicans with this process behind closed doors. fox newal poz showed the same thing. now it's down to 8%. i should say "the washington post" had 18% of republicans in a poll this week, so there's a little question there. but when it becomes public, can those republican numbers increase? i had republican operative tell me if you get 25% or 30% of r...

Any of that a concern to you? >> well, concern is different than rising to the level of impeachment. but again, i look at it this way. the aid is there. and the investigations didn't happen. so if there was a quid pro quo, it certainly wasn't a very effective one. >> so why shouldn't the president be held accountable for this? >> you can hold any president accountable. you should probably do it through an oversight hearing to make your point. instead, we're going willy-nilly into impeachment. we're doing it in a process that's unacceptable to most republicans. we're doing exactly what speaker ...

Landslide in 1972. 40% of democrats in america voted for nixon. and baker who asked the question of the president what did he know and when did he know it, it gave the process more legitimacy. the clinton process was ferociously partisan. don't think this one feels that way. i know the president wants us to have that conversation. i know he wants to muddy everything up. and that is one of the reasons they think rudy juliagiuliani i going along the country side and swerving his car to hit people on the way. but the basic on junction is that this is an unfair process and no legal rights or whate...

Then an independent council report by ken starr that stayed that clinton was guilty on 7 different counts, including committing felons such as perjury and a sexual harassment lawsuit by a employee. he was not convicted. it has been used more frequently with nixon, clinton, now the talk about president president trump. >> you were at helm of the clinton process, his impeachment process, what differences do you see from then to now with trump. >> i try draw for the press comparison, we had an independent count report that said on 7 different counts that clinton was guilty, use that word guilty, ...