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there. he doesn't want to see it dressed up, you know, as stuff added to this pay roll tax unemployment. but i saw wiggle room in what he said. you know, the white house has said they don't think it's going to get 60 votes in the senate so it's not going to get to him. i wouldn't be surprised, though, if it did. >> barnicle? >> chuck, the clip coming in, the appeasement clip, where is that coming from? is that coming from the two davids, plough and axelrod or is this coming from an angry president being called an appeaser? >> swegagger, you don't see thaa lot from president obama. >> right. >> no, that's him. that's always been around team obama. they wish they could have a foreign policy debate. that's been one of his strengths in the first three years of his presidency. ultimately they know they're not going to have one. yesterday was an exception.