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Going to be talking about that. Those kinds of steps, when we are talking about a what should be a sort of whitecollar case against somebody who was the former president of the united states. But those steps are going to be needed to assure witnesses and jurors of their safety so that they can do their job and not be intimidated from reaching a just result. Whichever way that justice requires, they wont be intimidated from reaching the right result. Its such an alarming but important Point Andrew is making there, neal. The fact is, people like judge tanya chutkan, judge engoron, theyve become ...

Needed to assure witnesses and jurors of their safety so that they can do their job and not be intimidated from reaching a just result. whichever way that justice requires, they won't be intimidated from reaching the right result. >> it's such an alarming but important point andrew is making there, neil. the fact is, people like judge tanya chutkan, judge engoron, they've become kind of household names as a lot of people involved in these trials and cases have been, that could be certainly the case with other witnesses. would they be facing this kind of harassment if not for him? is there any ...

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Devos, estimates $5.4 billion in march before he passed. feli felipe, your reaction to this? you traveled and worked with the secretary of state. this is extraordinary support i guess you call it that betsy devos has. my overarching question, what have we learned from the scott pruitt affair? outrage everywhere except within the white house for a long period of time. he did leave. were any lessons learned? how does that transfer to this? >> no. >> maya? >> no. i mean, i think, look -- i've -- went to work for hillary clinton 16 years ago. every day of that had secret service protection. i unde...

Is it just sanctions and we continue to go verbal brick bat for verbal brick bat and it doesn't do anything? i don't know. that, to me, is the critical piece. >> what is your strategy, thanks to both of you. next, a matter of life and death is a mother's message about the threat to obamacare and her baby. >> she has ten pre-existing conditions she was born with. >> they had full insurance and a lot of savings. a cabinet member getting round the clock protection. why does he need it?