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Courageous although it was at the end of his career. i think the real litmus test is going to be where he lands next year. we were just talking about that. at this moment, i'm sure nba execs are all trying to figure out how this is going to play out, you know, is it going to play out with texas? should it be out west? i think he's going to end up somewhere just because a, somebody -- david stern somebody is going to say, listen, somebody's going to -- >> if he didn't, right, he's 34 years old, i believe. he probably -- he's a big guy. you read in the article, he had a hilarious line, he said i...

That has kicked a lot of butt. so, yeah, i think that has softened. >> dan -- >> what this debate comes down to is not who gay people are and where gay people are. we are who we are, and if there's no openly gay people in whatever environment you're talking about, that doesn't mean there's no gay people. i think what this comes down to is who straight people are. this isn't about whether jason collins or other athletes who happen to be gay are pansies, it's about whether heterosexual men, if they're afraid of gay men, if they're jumping up on chairs and shrieking and too terrified to shower in...

That has kicked a lot of butt. so, yeah, i think that has softened. >> dan -- >> what this debate comes down to is not who gay people are and where gay people are. we are who we are, and if there's no openly gay people in whatever environment you're talking about, that doesn't mean there's no gay people. i think what this comes down to is who straight people are. this isn't about whether jason collins or other athletes who happen to be gay are pansies, it's about whether heterosexual men, if they're afraid of gay men, if they're jumping up on chairs and shrieking and too terrified to shower in...

The end of his career. i think the real litmus test is going to be where he lands next year. we were just talking about that. at this moment, i'm sure nba execs are all trying to figure out how this is going to play out, you know, is it going to play out with texas? should it be out west? i think he's going to end up somewhere just because a, somebody -- david stern somebody is going to say, listen, somebody's going to -- >> if he didn't, right, he's 34 years old, i believe. he probably -- he's a big guy. you read in the article, he had a hilarious line, he said i've got six hard fouls to give...

Courageous although it was at the end of his career. i think the real litmus test is going to be where he lands next year. we were just talking about that. at this moment, i'm sure nba execs are all trying to figure out how this is going to play out, you know, is it going to play out with texas? should it be out west? i think he's going to end up somewhere just because a, somebody -- david stern somebody is going to say, listen, somebody's going to -- >> if he didn't, right, he's 34 years old, i believe. he probably -- he's a big guy. you read in the article, he had a hilarious line, he said i...