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I won't get into a baseline argument with you because that's what a lot of this is about. >> you haven't given me the math. >> well, i don't have the -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. let me say it this way. you can lower tax rates by 20% across the board, by closing loop who else and stul have preferences for the middle class for things like charitable deductions for home purchases, for health care. >> that was yesterday. here's paul ryan's new excuse for giving no specifics. >> look, the point, you know, i like chris. i didn't want to get into all the math of this b...

Trillion? >> no. i won't get into a baseline argument with you because that's what a lot of this is about. >> you haven't given me the math. >> well, i don't have the -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. let me say it this way. you can lower tax rates by 20% across the board, by closing loop who else and stul have preferences for the middle class for things like charitable deductions for home purchases, for health care. >> that was yesterday. here's paul ryan's new excuse for giving no specifics. >> look, the point, you know, i like chris. i didn't want to get into all t...