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45 on aa. that should give you a sense of the magnitude of the problem. but i do think you're starting to see some more interest on this from republicanses. we did get some debt ceiling spending discipline even if it wasn't as much as we would have liked. i think also the fitch report, i mean, fitch is not clairvoyant, there are reasons to dispute some of their assumptions, but it's forcing the biden administration to have a conversation about this. they can didn't dismiss -- can't dismiss fitch, and it will force them to dress things -- address things like their car subsidies or health care s...

It was refreshing and sometimes startling how bluntly he spoke. paul: well, and it wasn't just about defending the court, it was also an extensive discussion of how he thinks about the law and some of the differences that he has from a jurisprudential point of view with other justices. that's a rare look at the court's thinking internally. >> yeah. it was really a fascinating four hours. paul: what did you learn about the justice? >> well, i learned, most importantly, that he's very open and and willing to, willing to discuss anything that's not improper. of he didn't talk about pending cases....

Down voices or downplay voices on the platforms that were politically unpopular. what are you going to do to check that power? >> so,ing or look, i agree, technology industry, there's plenty of issues, you know? apple and google and their app stores and amazon sells private label versions next to in the marketplace and google provides services next to search results, censoring, this is all sorts of problems. you know, silicon sali, it's a free market -- silicon valley, it e works by competition. and if you think each of these companies has a no knoply, you're mistaken. in cloud it's amazon, mi...

Don't impose your own ethics code, we will impose one on you with, and that includes recusal rules. so let's say they pass something like that. that would then, presumably, be adjudicated, if it were challenged, and until go up to the supreme court, i assume. >> yes. it would be an awkward matter to adjudicate. but the supreme court would be within its authority to adjudicate it because it is a law passed by congress, and it is the, it is -- there is a constitutional question here. and i suspect what they would end up doing, and this is pure peculation based on nothing than nothing that justic...

Unconstitutional. paul: well, the court, i guess alito told us that all the justices have thought about this question, but he declined to say where some of the other justices calm out. >> yes. paul: so we don't really know what the other eight justices think, although i guess justice elena kagan gave the opinion that maybe she disagrees with justice alito on some elements of this, although it wasn't clear exactly what. >> yeah. i think justice alito is the most publicly-candid member of the court, and he said he doesn't want to talk about what the other justices think, because none of them hav...