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Tropics. >> but the request was made to climb to a higher altitude what might that suggest? >> that could be because they wish to remain visual. you know it was daytime, and thunderstorms are often embedded in other clouds which makes it difficult to see them which means you're relying purely on your radar. pilots prefer to see the storms if you're in the daylight. and that mean you have to be above the general cloud layer, so you try and go up. but flying over the top of a thunderstorm is not a possibility in the tropics, because the storms are not as high as you, but they probably will be, b...

Use the full spectrum of sensors. get a good surface search. then if you do get a ping on the radar, can drop lower to get an electric t electrooptical. you can actually fly really low in that 300-foot range. and get underneath that cloud layer. you can just look with the binoculars. so we do have a full spectrum of sensors. it is all-weather capable. so this is a pretty advanced plan. and like i keep saying, if we fly over any piece of debris we're going to see what it is. >> it's amazing you can fly 300 feet. i didn't realize so low. the navy is moving into the area the toed ping or locater ...

Emergency. >> oh, we were in climb and had just gone through a cloud layer and you'll hear the whole tape, at the beginning you hear joe the pilot trying to call miami center. he just runs out of air. and i don't specifically remember hearing that because i'm just kind of looking out the window, you know, we hadn't been off the ground five minutes but i either heard that or i heard when nate, the first controller, tried to get ahold of us a couple times. something didn't sound right. but whatever it was, made me look directly at joe. >> you were in a twin engine king air. were you in the back ...