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Ultimately on robert mueller. that's the one place where john kelly really can -- if we're going to have to lower the bar for everybody in the trump white house, you can't lower it to he fired anthony scaramucci, the clownish mid level figure. is he going to intercede if trump tries to break the rule of law by quashing the mueller investigation? and there are ways he can do that. he can use his influence over personnel matters to prevent the firing of jeff sessions or to make sure that sessions is replaced by somebody who maintains the integrity of the mueller investigation. or he could resign...

Orchestrated this leak, it would understood kate a serious determination on his part to protect the russia investigation. if comey or his allies were the prime movers, the motivation was to force kelly to live up to the standard that he pretended to hold when he called comey to vent two and a half months ago. do you have a greater sense of which of those two things is more true? >> i don't. i wish i did. i think the effect is similar, whether the leaks stem from the comey camp or the kelly camp is that it limits john kelly's options insofar as donald trump tries to make a move first on jeff se...