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When you see staff changes like that at higher levels, it's not a good thing and now, the dow donors have been worried. and with a major donor like singer, that's just a signal that the mayor donor class does not have confidence in jeb bush anymore and rubio is the guy and you're going to see the slow demise of jeb bush. >> bob beckel? >> well, i mean, i said last night that this was a donor debate as much as anything else. >> you did. you actually did. >> donors would look at the race and decide whether their candidate was somebody who would be up for the long haul and clearly some of bush's ...

Blanket and killing cops, they are going to delegitimize themself right out of having credibility. >> okay. let's move on. let's talk about the debates, "the new york times" is reporting the influential and wealthy republican donor, paul singer, cnn has reporting, is throwing support behind marco rubio. how big of a blow is this to the jeb bush campaign, do you think? >> listen, jeb bush is a goner, okay? he is -- any time you have a candidate that has to go out there and say my candidacy is not on life support means it's on life support. jeb bush has been on a -- his campaign has been hemorrh...