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Deal. on one hand we see that north korea is susceptible to sanctions and on the other hand china can corporate when it comes to sanctions. when the obama administrations was imposing sanctions against a chinese bank in 2012 and a lot of people thought that the chinese would be difficult about it and they actually ended up co- cooperating. >> okay. so that's one thing. the chinese do have -- a lot of their other economic activities have indicated that they are more interested in being a player, the stuff that they're doing in africa and the bank they're creating, but i guess militarily the chi...

Is cooperating. what do you know? >> alex, i've spoken to pakistani and u.s. counterterrorism officials about this case. as you mentioned faisal shahzad accused of planting this bomb scare. he left it and tried to flee the u.s. for dubai. pakistani officials told me that they have three people in custody in pakistan who they are interrogating. they say they are serious suspects. one is a relative, one a friend, another is an associate, someone known to shahzad who is co- cooperating and is, as i understand it, admitting to being kind of a middleman with the pakistani taliban, different from th...