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We ought to look at innovation technology to make it efficient. >> how do you incentivize the organization? if you do believe there is a technical way to make coal cleaner, to burn coal cleaner, how do you basically force that innovation without some sort of rules of the road that demand it? >> you look at what the state of wyoming is doing. take a look at leadership on this. got a lot of money on the legislation, to look at the innovation prize. looking at the slip stream that comes off our plants and rather than having that as a liability, use it as stock for chemicals, for food stock. these...

Solar panel. do you know what that is? no. that's my best possession. that was one of the solar panels that jimmy carter put on the white house in 1979 and ronald reagan took down in 1985 because he wanted manlier forms of energy. it's not that we lack -- germ and china have better technology. >> that and put it in his private museum in china? i love that story. >> we have the technology. we have the entrepreneurs. we just don't have the political will to do anything with it because we've got the koch brothers and exxon and everybody else in the way. >> we also have a reflexive ideological res...

Impact of the workers. it can alter landscapes and, of course, ruin the view. there are very different views on the importance of coal and whether or not we should be doing it. industries are trying to figure out ways to burn coal cleaner. there are technologies out there, but is there something that you can really call clean coal? again, i'm asking. i'm putting that question out there. and we're going to tell you more about it tomorrow and the rest of this week. i didn't say there was. i didn't say there wasn't. i'm just telling you this is a big debate out there. this is one of the most impo...