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Let's not talk about it. >> shawn -- >> i think there's a -- a lot has to do with the handling. >> in all deference though to ambassador stevens' father, how will the governor honor his request? >> again, there is one thing to talk about an individual and bring that individual into a campaign. in this case what we're not talking about necessarily is a.mbassador stevens as much as the events that unfolded around him prior to his death and after his death in terms of the white house response. so i think you can do this in terms of referring to it as the events in libya, etc., etc., but i think t...

It's almost laughable. talk about jack conway down in kentucky who's running for senate. the democrat running against rand paul. to call him anti-coal, this guy has said blatantly that he will never vote for a cap and trade bill, he opposed the house bill, and he even as attorney general tried to oppose the bill finding that greenhouse gases are a threat to human kind. the idea that he's out to beat up coal is silly. >> and when it comes to any coal issue, what you end up is less partisan divides and more just intense regional blocks. it never looked like you were going to get a lot of coal st...

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That weren't necessarily considered in play or on the top of the list. i think wisconsin is very, very close. that's another one where you've seen both of the candidates in there and i think the president's presence in wisconsin goes to show that they're very concerned about losing that as well. >> shawn, governor romney used the benghazi attack against the president. here's what he said. >> it's an issue because this is the first time in 33 years that a united states ambassador has been assassinated. mr. president, this is an issue because we were attacked successfully by terrorists on the an...

Campaign issue. it has to be objectively examined. it does not belong in the campaign arena. is the romney campaign wrong to politicize this while an investigation is ongoing? >> well, i think that when it comes to ambassador stevens' death all of us honor him for his service and his contribution to both our country and to what he did to help further the peace in libya. but what i think is an issue is this question of leadership and then how the events unfolded, what the white house did know, when it did know -- and when it knew it. so i think there's a separation. it's not necessarily about a...