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Showed up alone to parties to avoid. he said it stunted his growth professionally and personally. he found when he embraced who he was, doors began to open up for him. rejoining us is chad sanders, author of "black magic: what black leaders learn from trauma and trial." i've been waiting to have this interview with you for a long time. i'm glad we finally managed to make it happen. talk to me a little bit about that title. what do you mean by "black magic"? >> i appreciate you having me here. i mean everything that we learn through the ropes course that is surviving blackness, everything from ...

Presumption across the board in america that there is something culturally wrong with people who are poor and specifically with african-americans. and i think that's accepted wisdom right now for whatever reason. barack obama, whenever he makes that statement, whenever the president does that sort of speech, he always gets applause. >> from african-american audiences. >> and by across the way, i mean, even among african-americans. i think people think it's a little bizarre when you say, no, no, no, it's not culture at all. it's not culture at all. >> so part of how chait begins his conversatio...

Bush or rick perry that way. george bush -- >> more specifically, he actually drops the "g." >> here is a geeking linguistic stuff. if you are talking about the specific thing of a dropped "g," there will be more of that. bush and rick perry are transcribed in terms of their words, and quite faithfully. so we see what idiots they all look like. >> i want to talk about rick perry and coat switching in another context, which is herman cain in front of the gop straw poll. herman cain 37% of the vote. we have a herman cain quote here, which i -- >> did they drop the "g "?

Of the g. i think it's inherently racist for them to do something like that, and for you to sit there and defend it when -- >> the dropped g means it's black english -- >> which is what? >> it's not improper english, it's a different kind of english, and america including nonblack america loves that way of speaking, and when he quote, unquote, drops his gs and uses that inflexion, it's a black english package and sounds warm -- i wish he would talk more that way. >> really? he knew who his audience was -- >> yeah, it's coat switching. >> that's what he does. but for them to do that in a public...