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Huckabee sanders is saying. the other thing i would just note. i think it lingers as a question. why could she, from the podium yesterday, definitively say that there's no collusion, but then when today, she said, i stand by that but you have to ask all those questions to outside counsel. why was she able to take that question yesterd and not ae to take it today? the only thing that changed is this huge fact pattern that we have it in black and white in donald trump jr.'s e-mail that he did accept that meeting knowing that the russian government was wanting to help his father's campaign. >> an...

Will have access to, and we, at this point, don't have access to. so, you know, we have an important part of the story today, but it's only part of the story, and i think that's important to keep in mind as, you know, people go make dramatic conclusions about what is or is not a crime. >> carl, to that idea, that we only have part of the story, which is obviously very accurate and important to keep in mind, it is interesting in the e-mail chain that we do have that there's no real surprise voiced by donald trump jr. by the idea that the russian government wants his father to win. did that stan...

Questions to the attorney. >> we know that's nothing to applaud because "the new york times" was going to release these e-mails, but yes, the other thing i thought was interesting that sarah huckabee sanders did in the brief, anderson, was this commitment to saying that there's no distance between the vice president and the president. she was asked about that, because the vice president has issued a statement saying, you know -- >> yeah, i have the statement here. let me read it out. this is from mark lotter, vice president pence's spokesman and says, "the vice president is working every day ...

Definition of willingness of collusion is. i don't think there is one. you know -- >> i'm not asking for a legal definition. i'm just saying, doesn't it seem that he's open to the idea of colluding with the russian government? >> no, i don't think that at all. sounds to me if anything they were naive in trying to get information about hillary clinton. >> naive -- okay, from the russian government. >> well, from this woman who claims that she was from the russian government. i have no idea if she is. >> but donald trump jr. seemed to believe she was from the russian government and that's why sh...

They did have knowledge that there was a russian influenced campaign. so what i think these e-mails do is they shift what we describe in sort of the political terms of collusion to the open more avenues for potential investigation regarding cooperation with either intelligence gathering activities that the russian government may have been involved in, potential issues with respect to interpretation of the campaign finance laws, and whether or not the russian government was providing other things of value or whether or not, what was the other types of support that is mentioned in the e-mails. w...