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Both of you. marty, first to you, and then dean. i want to put up this poll number. when folks were asked in a cbs poll, where do they go for trusted information, among trump supporters, they cited the president himself. 91% of trump supporters say that's where they go for accurate information. fact checks be damned here. >> well, that's true. and i think that's the way the president would like to have it. he has described us as the opposition party. that goes all the way back to the presidential campaign. he wants us to be perceived as the opposition party, so that people will dismiss anythin...

Human beings. it's news organizations or we can put news in quotes here. i want to single out two in particular. rt and sputnik. they seem to be the launching pad for this specific conspiracy. >> that's right. there are four attributes you look for in terms of spreading some sort of propaganda. one, be there first. two, repeat it over and over and over again. the human mind actually can't resist repetition. three, it's got to come from a trusted source. these are trusted sources. >> for some people. >> and black out all rebuttals. if you can narrow people in, if you can say these are fake news...