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Others. the argument here is the same and that is that we're spending too much, the deficit still continues to grow, the cbo numbers that you referenced in your intro of a trillion and a half deficit, and the point that social security may never again run a surplus, all these contribute to the fact that we got to work together to get deficit spending down in a real and meaningful way. that's going to take a big effort, we're ready for it and we think you ought to go back to the '08 levels as a starting point. this is serious stuff. >> i'm trying to figure out the numbers here. the president sp...

Had a campaign year conversion, alisyn. when you listen beyond that brief statement, john always returns to comprehensive immigration reform which arizonians know as simply a code term for amnesty. actually there's a new wrinkle, alisyn. john has been sending letters to constituents where he talks about after going through the obligatory i'm opposed to amnesty, then he says later in the letter, we must offer incentives for these people and regularize their status. so it appears now we're seeing a change at least in terms of terminology. first it was amnesty which he called for and then it's ca...