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I mean to an outside observer, most house republicans look like, you know, pretty strong trump supporters. over half of them voted not to certify joe biden's win. so i'm curious, based on your reporting is there a set of policy issues or is it just about fealty to donald trump and the big lie? >> you're absolutely right. there's a thin line between a true maga republican and all of the other republicans who do tend to fall in line with president trump. these are people who you go on their social media, you go on their campaign website and the first thing you do is pro-trump. america first. all...

Evasion. >> the first thing people have to realize is there are a lot of code words that get used. when they talk about reform, they are talk about dismantling systems of oppression. people need to start pushing back. we have seen some course correction. let's talk about the new mayor who at least on policing should be a lot better. in seattle we put in place a republican, the first time a republican put into office citywide in over three decades. people are starting to wake up. we just have to continue it. >> i hate to be the one to bring this up. but we are talking about philadelphia, and th...

>> bill: that's one guy running one shop in lower manhattan. the d.a. says i don't understand about the pushback. here is what he said. >> our first civil rights is the right to walk safely to our corner store. but we also know that that safety has got to be based in our community in fairness and cannot be driven solely by incarceration. >> bill: you've been in the courtroom for decades. when he talks about fairness and incarceration, how do we achieve that under this current policy here whether it's in l.a. or new york? >> you cannot. he is using code words. i will be very clear. as a lawyer ...

Evasion. >> the first thing people have to realize is there are a lot of code words that get used. when they talk about reform, they are talk about dismantling systems of oppression. people need to start pushing back. we have seen some course correction. let's talk about the new mayor who at least on policing should be a lot better. in seattle we put in place a republican, the first time a republican put into office citywide in over three decades. people are starting to wake up. we just have to continue it. >> i hate to be the one to bring this up. but we are talking about philadelphia, and th...

Evasion. >> the first thing people have to realize is there are a lot of code words that get used. when they talk about reform, they are talk about dismantling systems of oppression. people need to start pushing back. we have seen some course correction. let's talk about the new mayor who at least on policing should be a lot better. in seattle we put in place a republican, the first time a republican put into office citywide in over three decades. people are starting to wake up. we just have to continue it. >> i hate to be the one to bring this up. but we are talking about philadelphia, and th...