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This is now a state matter. you know, there are, you know, going to be fights in states. the states that are going to have the biggest states, are those where the control of the government is contested. were you have a democratic governor and a republican legislation. in michigan, they have a republican governor. in states that are republican, they are all in the process of learning or limiting abortion so that it is effectively banned. i don't think there is a lot that the federal government can do about it. >> are options, should they have been trying to codify? >> they could have. it's inte...

In states and the states that are going to have the biggest fights are those where control of the state government is really contested. states like wisconsin where you have a democratic governor and a republican legislature. same thing in michigan. virginia has a republican governor. but the states that are all republican, i just think they are -- all in the process of banning or limiting abortion so that it's effectively banned. i doept think there's a lot the federal government can do about it. >> the time to talk about options shouldn't have they been trying to codify? >> they could have. a...

Biden and harris are saying, elect democrats and we will codify the law to legalize abortion in the country. it's an unsettled question whether the federal government has jurisdiction over that matter. you know, you need full control to even try to pass a law like that. neither the democrats or republicans have a very >> i agree and disagree with the former -- i agree with her on sentiment. i just don't think it was so quiet. i'm talking about clarence thomas. i don't think it was quiet. he is saying it, because he means it. that's the only part i disagree with her on. she is right. he said, t...

That my mother in law knew these rights. which is the right that, that should be, well-settled. that a woman should have to make decisions about her own body. when we think about it, everyone has something at risk on this. first of all, if you are a parent of sons, do you think about what this means for the life of your son. what that will mean in terms of the choices he will have. to think about it in the context of the fact that the rope this decision including a concurrent opinions that suggest that other rights such as, the freedom to make decisions about when you will start a family. the ...

Americans do not approve of the court move to overturn roe and support for the court already a historic low before this. what is this hyper partisan decisions? what do they mean for the court legitimacy. >> i covered sandraday o connor. she was also concerned about not having the court too far out of step with public opinion. she's very open and candid about that. this group of conservatives is very different. to be honest, it's interesting, it's not -- i don't think is has that big an impact. so what? so people don't approve. >> i agree. >> i don't -- it's people say well, it's going to hurt ...