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They own a government shoutdown, but now, they don't have that. now, you don't want to raise the debt limit, fine, you own it. >> barack obama says i will not defund planned parenthood, when a coequal branch says, there are not 60 votes in senate to do it, and then everyone is supposed to say, republicans will blink. yes, because they end up blaming -- if you can't win the argument, you don't need to be lincoln or churchill, a place that jokes about buying l

This was the single thing that haunted the dreams of founders was overreaching executive. they didn't want a king, period. the whole system was designed, set up from the very beginning to prevent that from happening the assumption would be each branch act in its own interest and hold tightly to its prerogatives. congress for bunch much reasons hasn't done that. how did we get here in the first place? congress allowed this to happen. president, really? you're a coequal branch. i mean, be honest about it. >> do you think it is too late? >> i think people want a strong leader. i think the founder...

Bob gates said. it's not in libya. it's even worse here. >> tucker: the president is touting oversight role what are you going to do about it? >> in the paparazzi we haven't done anything about it. i have talked to people in prior decades that were in congress. it didn't matter whether it was republican or democrat in the white house. who is the majority. if the president exceeded his authority, there would be quiet trip why bipartisan leaders down pennsylvania and said you usurped our power we are going to start defunding everything you care about unless you back off. our leaders have not had...

Presidential -- i think it's kind of reasonable. but one day when the republicans use it on the democrats and they reverse all of their arguments, it will be remembered who did it and i think they have no one to blame except themselves. >> bret: but do you agree, judge, what marah said in the fifth year in the second term the president should be able to get the people he wants in the positions he wants and the people can vote at the end of that term whether it worked or didn't work? >> i do agree. but i also agree that there are intentionally institutional obstacles to the president getting ev...

Continued that lie for months. we have a basic difference of opinion with the executive branch. not a republican, not a democratic, but a basic difference. if you lie, deceive or cover-up and that's discovered, then those papers behind the scenes become very appropriate to be seen by the coequal branch. i'm one of those people that very strongly supports that the deliberative process in the ordinary course is not something we should be asking for. but when the wheels come off, when, in fact, people make a decision to give us something that's false and it's shown to be false and then particular...