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Specific instance puts a real bull's-eye on this new reporting that sort of tracks with what we understand about the case, which is that this was ready to go and there was apparently a long delay and the justice department wouldn't allow this indictment. the justice department under trump wouldn't allow this indictment to go forward until trump was out of office and biden was in office. if one of the things that you're describing there is that there's a blackmail risk, there's a coercion risk for every moment that passes from when that questioning happened in 2018 when this case is a known, li...

Barrack and those people who allegedly were involved in the scheme with him. so you can't think of this just as a law was broken and are we going to prosecute it or are we not. you have to look much more broadly about the ways in which that makes the united states vulnerable, the ways it makes president trump vulnerable and think of all the things we still don't know because we haven't yet done a really thorough look at all the different things that were going on by the administration from a counterintelligence perspective. >> well, that also in this specific instance puts a real bull's-eye on...