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Went through being convicted? >> you know, going through the process i went through did teach me a whole lot. i think that's one of the things that we see is that every once in a while you find somebody who has a reaction to what we're doing. we've found we've got this 20 minutes and a cup of coffee rule, you can get them to support amendment 4. it's common sense stuff. it helps create saufr communities, helps create job growth in the state and so yeah i do think there was a piece of it that i did learn. you know, we're learning constantly, hopefully all of us are, so my experience with the cr...

See people talk about it, even today, right, people running ads right now, these are crooks, these are bad people, what -- did your mind change? did you have a sort of world view shift when you actually went through being convicted? >> you know, going through the process i went through did teach me a whole lot. i think that's one of the things that we see is that every once in a while you find somebody who has a reaction to what we're doing. we've found we've got this 20 minutes and a cup of coffee rule, you can get them to support amendment 4. it's common sense stuff. it helps create saufr co...