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Where experts come to different conclusions and the jury has to avail themselves of a lot of argument about context and what makes sense. is it fair to argue in this case that someone equally qualified to you, mr. primeau, could hear it and say eh, could be, do not pay with cash. >> it's fair to say that, chris. and if you consider the fact that there's two people talking, they're different proximities away from the recorder. when i listened to this key part of conversation, i can hear the words consistently which i believe president trump is saying at a certain distance. so it's the same leve...

With cash. now, let's be fair. rudy's right. dueling experts -- i've been in so many cases and so have you where experts come to different conclusions and the jury has to avail themselves of a lot of argument about context and what makes sense. is it fair to argue in this case that someone equally qualified to you, mr. primeau, could hear it and say eh, could be, do not pay with cash. >> it's fair to say that, chris. and if you consider the fact that there's two people talking, they're different proximities away from the recorder. when i listened to this key part of conversation, i can hear th...