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I could really recognize the magnitude of it. when you saw the photographs of her with the black eye, which rob porter said he took the photos and that the story behind it is different than what she s alleging, colbie says actually she has now said yes, he did take the photos because she actually made him take the photos as sort of an act of contrition after she says that he punched her. but i m just wondering, when you saw, actually saw those photographs, did she show them to you? she didn t show them to me. when we met in march, she did tell me that they existed. so this seeing the photo said is new to you. yes. i m wondering how that how that impacted you. you know, i would be lying if i said i didn t feel lucky. that the abuse that i endured wasn t like that. even when she told me some of the things that she experienced, it was almost like an abstract reality. ....
Do you think it should have taken the white house seeing images of colbie bruised and battered to come up with a different statement? you know, i feel like that s a speculative thing that i can t really answer just because of the of my closeness to it and the nature of it, but i do feel as though knowing rob the way that i do, he probably is able to, even even if his clearance hadn t gone through and they knew it was because of problems his marriage, i think he was probably able to spin it in a way that it was minimized, that is was downplayed. and i genuinely believe that chief of staff kelly thought it was lesser than it was, and seeing those photographs i wish that my interview would have been enough, but seeing those photographs sort of solidified that, no, this is, in fact, an ....
Systematic tearing down of everything that we knew to be true about ourselves, i just immediately thought, oh, i wasn t alone. you know, because deep down, i had known that. that must have been an extraordinary feeling to realize, wait a minute, this is not me. this has happened before. yeah, and i think a lot of people in abusive relationships because of the constant insidious breaking down of that confidence and of that even knowledge of sense of self, start to believe that it really is something that they re doing or something that they in some way deserved because of their choices. and for me, i think i just sort of accepted it once it became the norm, and i lost a lot of confidence and just accepted that s what it was. and it took years to get past that point, but it took meeting colbie and really hearing her story and sharing my story and us both going, yeah, yeah. that happened to me, too, before ....
Back now with jenny willoughby. i want to ask you about a couple things the white house has said and about what they have done or have not done. chief of staff john kelly said porter is, quote, a man of true integrity and honor. that s what he said earlier yesterday. they now say they only became fully aware of the allegations yesterday, and then when asked today about what changed between when the first statement was made and a later statement, they said it was, quote, the full nature of the allegations, particularly the images. do you think it should have taken the white house seeing images of colbie bruised and battered to come up with a different statement? you know, i feel like that s a speculative thing that i can t really answer just because of my ....
Of choking, you know, being pushed down on a bed, held down and a knee placed on her. and obviously, the photographs of her with a black eye. yeah. first of all, i just absolutely am in awe of her and her bravery and willingness to share that as publicly as she has. when we met in march of 2017, after we had both had to sort of rehash our experiences with the fbi, it was it was almost like a longtime validation, because obviously, being in that relationship, i knew on some level that it wasn t me, and that colbie had to have experienced similar things, even though rob manipulated the story of his marriage about her several times. i knew it had to be similar. so when i met her and she described the insults and the ....