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Done every time that it's a cold gun for the rehearsal. she cleans it out every time, and checks that the rounds are all cosmetic rounds or nothing in the chamber. she hands me the gun. i'm assuming she's done it the right way. i put it in the holster, pull it out slow. we're rehearsing. turn, dock the pistol, goes off, and she hits the ground. >> in a statement, baldwin's attorney said quote, mr. baldwin had no reason to believe there was a live bullet in the gun or anywhere on the movie set. he relied on the professionals with whom he worked who assured him the gun did not have live rounds. ...

The trial we'll hear more about this. one of the biggest questions i have is how there was live ammunition on the set at all. you'd think that these experts that were supposed to be handling the guns, is it their responsibility to make sure there's no live ammo on the set? how different does live ammo and dummy blanks look when you're putting them in to a prop gun? >> well, first of all, you know, live ammo could be anywhere. they don't search the crew. people don't go through a metal detector on the way to the set. there's always a presumption that live ammo could be around. that's why you ch...

They brought the charges. after listening to the logic, are you surprised and why did they do it? and are they going to be able to get a conviction? >> i'm even more skeptical after hearing a number of interviews these prosecutors gave because they revealed their theory of the case, and it's got a lot of holes. let me give you an example, when asked, hey, are you pursuing baldwin as an executive producer or as the guy who held the gun. the answer was, well, both. how is that going to fly with the jury. we're not exactly sure what the theory of the case is, you pick, help us out. that's not wha...

Movie set shootings including brandon lee. good to have you back. this is big news that he's being charged with involuntary manslaughter. i just want to replay this moment with george stephanopoulos and alec baldwin. see you on the other side. >> it wasn't in the script for the trigger to be pulled. >> i didn't pull the trigger. >> so you never pulled the tryinger? >> no, no, no. i would never point a gun and pull a trigger. never. >> martha: steve, what is your take on that given everything that we know now? >> a load of crap. as much as i can say on family television. the fbi and numerous ot...

Each other. they're not coconspirators. the more hannah gutierrez reid is guilty, the less alec baldwin is. the more someone in the chain of custody is guilty, the less alec baldwin is. you're going to make the argument that, yes, an actor can rely on a first assistant director that this is a cold gun and believe him. he played jack ryan in the '90s. >> this is a cold gun. joe, the bottom line is, cold gun, toy gun, replica, any type of gun you, never point it at another person. >> even a plastic gun. >> even a plastic gun. >> that is as somebody that is a gun owner and grew up in a culture ar...