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Behind-the-scenes curtain series, "politico" is reporting that house republicans are talking about -- and this was a fascinating story when it went up this weekend -- talking about a default, very bad idea, i think, or shutting down the government, not quite as dangerous, over the debt limit. tell us what you found out. >> yeah, joe, this column, "behind the curtain," is going to be a real cold shower for a lot of people in d.c. jim vandehei, jake sherman and i found out that the possibility of a shutdown or even default, much more likely than anyone in washington thinks. by some of the prelim...

overwhelmed. i spent almost the past decade in solitary confinement. so i'm not used to being around anyone, much less this many people. it's kind of overwhelming. it's not perfect. it's not perfect by any means. but at least it brings closure to some areas and some aspects. you know, we can still bring up new evidence. we can still continue an investigations we've been doing. we can still try to clear our names. the only difference is we can do it from the outside instead of sitting in prison and do it. >> even when you're in prison, you have to worry about your own safety. it doesn...

Plan, the government is going to hover out our trillions and trillions of e-mails and it's just a placebo press conference so it goes away. >> the appropriation for the nsa came up on the house floor and only passed by seven votes. >> bolling, we're waiting for your moment here. the obama cold shower, go ahead. >> notes. i took pages and pages of notes. he went through the four-point plan. i found it very interesting twice he said we have to strike balance between security and freedom, at one point he said liberty. he's clearly violating the constitution. he also talked about 215 of the f fisa...

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>> cold shower. >> cold, freezing cold shower. the dining room had a -- it was -- it was on a tilt. the dining room had water about -- i could show you the pictures i took. this seat every time you would go one way it would slide across. people were falling because there was so much water. we don't know what it was. >> we had food an water every day. that's been a blessing. the only bad experience was the bathroom situation. there were four bathrooms working with several stalls in them but for a few hours for a lot of hours we didn't have working toilets so we had to go in back. >> you said th...