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Stelter. what do you make of this extensive indictment? >> it proves everything that we believed to be true, everything that the senate and house intelligence committees said was true, everything that the president of the united states denied and dismissed. all of our reporting has been born out. everything that facebook, google, twitter, have said about the involvement they said has been born out in this indictment. and now with rod rosenstein coming out, it's no longer something that the president can run away from. what he is doing is saying, look, there's no evidence of collusion. no one h...

Indictment says no one wittingly worked with the russians, that there was some unwitting participation on behalf of trump campaign associates and aides but no one wittingly. so you can imagine that the white house would want to come out and say, look, doesn't this show there's no collusion? but can they come out and say that? >> i don't think we can take that there's no collusion in what mueller was looking at. he said these people were not aware they were helping russian officials. that does not mean that there's no part of mueller's investigation that has not found some kind of collusion. we...

Agreements between the campaign and the russian government, is not a crime. >> right. >> under most circumstances. and there's no crime except under anti-trust law involving coll collusion. what is a value to the campaign. i hear you. the white house now add ace new guy. from all i've read, very high-powered, experience white collar defense attorney, ty cobb. how does this change their approach? is this pushing kosowitz out? >> i don't know whether he's in or out. that's beyond my knowledge at this point. the purpose of hiring ty cobb is to keep an organized face on all these inquiries. that d...

Have been involved. i think it illustrates how the defenders of trump and the trump campaign don't know all the facts. none of us do. that's why the story keeps evolving the way it does. >> you have said on our air, this is the administration and their attorneys, jay sekulow in this case, moving the defense lines back. haven't they moved them back as far as you can go? as far as you can go is, well, it wasn't illegal. they're sort of like, okay we can do it again. >> it wasn't a high cream and misdemeanor justifying impeachment. that's the next line of defense. that's true but -- i mean, they ...

400-pound guy in a bed in new jersey. >> right. >> he calls into question whether or not the whole russian thing is a lie. i think today there's a big piece of evidence from his own justice department put forward that it is not. >> i brought this up to the white house official today. they said whenever he said russia thing was a hoax he was speaking specifically about collusion and not meddling. i said it would be good if he could clarify that. >> the russia hopes continues. now ads on facebook. what about the totally bias and media b. a s in favor of crooked hillary? it didn't say anything ab...