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And not only the design profess nals of the 40-year certification but education of the process. a lot of the engineers that are doing it don't even have a standardized idea of what to check for. and the city municipalities don't enforce that. they just leave it up to the engineer. and by the way, i do want to -- before i go further, offer by condolences to the families of those that are lost and missing and also my appreciation to the first responders. >> well, of course. absolutely understood and respected. but, you know, when them in mind, let's be careful about what we say because, you know...

Standardized idea of what to check for. and the city municipalities don't enforce that. they just leave it up to the engineer. and by the way, i do want to -- before i go further, offer by condolences to the families of those that are lost and missing and also my appreciation to the first responders. >> well, of course. absolutely understood and respected. but, you know, when them in mind, let's be careful about what we say because, you know -- look, you know they're listening. there are so many people who are waiting for word about their loved ones. i want to be sure about what you're saying....