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The outrage back in the civil rights movement when we saw people getting hosed down. >> that's the question. >> i'm glad you brought up the civil rights movement. what you said was important, that we have not been locking people up at this rate forever. we see the end of the civil rights era and the huge spike in incarcerations. but to go a bit further, we are also attaching invisible punishment to those convictions. so we are setting kids up for failure through collateral consequences. if you have a conviction, you can't go to school here. if you have a conviction, you can't vote here. if you...

Colorlines.com. i'm so excited to have you here tonight. >> great to be here, thanks. >> you and i had an e-mail communication more than a month ago when you sent out the color lines report about immigration policy and particularly this administration's immigration policy. and then i heard, you know, newt gingrich talking about immigration policy on the gop side last night. i'm interested. take us from that level of how it hurts the economy. tell me about families. what difference does this make to human beings living on the ground under these policies? >> newt gingrich understands that immigr...

Administration's immigration policy. and then i heard, you know, newt gingrich talking about immigration policy on the gop side last night. i'm interested. take us from that level of how it hurts the economy. tell me about families. what difference does this make to human beings living on the ground under these policies? >> newt gingrich understands that immigration enforcement has a lot of collateral consequences. one of the worst collateral consequences is that families are split up. we came across a particularly egregious form of that kind of semgs when we started to look at the intersectio...

I'm so excited to have you here tonight. >> great to be here, thanks. >> you and i had an e-mail communication more than a month ago when you sent out the color lines report about immigration policy and particularly this administration's immigration policy. and then i heard, you know, newt gingrich talking about immigration policy on the gop side last night. i'm interested. take us from that level of how it hurts the economy. tell me about families. what difference does this make to human beings living on the ground under these policies? >> newt gingrich understands that immigration enforcemen...