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Loans, there's a lot of weigh-in, which we are profiting, making double-digit profits off of poor people, by essentially loaning back to them the money that they already make. >> so what is the solution here? >> the solution is, there has to be greater regulation. first of all, there's not even a regulation of who can qualify as a tax preparer. there has to be some regulation around who can do this. there has to be -- there are actually existing ways through nonprofits, in churches and other ways who are poor to get their taxes prepared for free. there's no way they can compete against the mar...

Profiting, making double-digit profits off of poor people, by essentially loaning back to them the money that they already make. >> so what is the solution here? >> the solution is, there has to be greater regulation. first of all, there's not even a regulation of who can qualify as a tax preparer. there has to be some regulation around who can do this. there has to be -- there are actually existing ways through nonprofits, in churches and other ways who are poor to get their taxes prepared for free. there's no way they can compete against the marketing juggernaut, so one of the things that co...

Not expressly evoked in the case. we have lisa bloom and with me in the studio are jelani cobb with the university of connecticu connecticut, and the executive director of the metropolitan center for urban education. rincu sen, the executive president of the race forward, and publisher of colorlines.com, and michael denzel smith, a writer for the nation.com and a nobler fellow at the nation institute. so i want to go right to you guys on the panel and sort of get your reactions to what you just heard. sort of the framing, jelani, of this case by the dunn defense. >> well, i mean, a few weeks a...

Some calling it purgatory, if you will, getting lost in the system. >> many of these immigration detainees are held in private facilities, facilities owned by -- corporation of american, or geo group, major players. they immigrant detainees are nor filling up their beds. they are profit for these companies. laws that sort of create -- open up these prisons for the public, make it possible to get information often don't apply to private facilities. we often don't know what happens. i've been inside these prisons, is that people are locked up for extended periods of time. people lose contact whe...

Make a difference? to help answer that question, i have with me today, an editorial director of colorlines.com. a fellow at the nation's institute. he's the author of the upcoming book, "partisan priority"s, joy reid and the former president of p brady campaign, richard now the president of the citizens of crime commission of new york city. thank you all for being here. i want to start with you. >> sure. >> we are at a point where we are willing to say something must be done. what is that something? >> something needs to be a lot. i think the big difference in the discussion is for the first t...