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I'm reading a great book called "why nations fail" by an economist, political scientists, about the ways in which economic and political institutions are so crucial for prosperity and success. we'll have the authors on it hopefully on the program. i want to thank my guests, carolyn maloney and kai wright from colorlines.com and alexis goldstein from occupy the sec and kai wright, thank you for joining us. we'll be back next weekend, saturday, surge, at 8:00 eastern time. guests will include former obama green divider van jones and joan walsh. up next, melissa harris-perry and we'll see you nex...

Don't get a path to citizenship, there's a way to end up with a country where there's no more ill legality but you haven't automatically given amnesty to anyone. >> so this red card solution would reform immigration all right. video for the program like matt kib bee of freedom works tells us so. the red card is literally that. a red card with a microchip embedded in it. but what happens if that worker loses his job or misplaces her card and is stopped by an immigration agent? where does the microchip go next? and where does she or he go next? joining us now to talk about these issues of immigr...

Conversation about immigration reform that is more than just an ideological good guy/bad guy story. maybe gingrich, for whatever his failing are, has opened up the conversation for us. >> i think that's important. newt gingrich knows how to win an election. he's clearly entered the election. president obama, we were happy to see he responded to our report directly, acknowledged it was a problem, acknowledged it was happening. promised to put into place the changes to prevent it from happening. we need to see action on that. there are families being split up right this minute as we speak. the m...

Promotion. >> the kreebl foundation is a good red card program that says you get to be legal but you don't get a path to citizenship, there's a way to end up with a country where there's no more ill legality but you haven't automatically given amnesty to anyone. >> so this red card solution would reform immigration all right. video for the program like matt kib bee of freedom works tells us so. the red card is literally that. a red card with a microchip embedded in it. but what happens if that worker loses his job or misplaces her card and is stopped by an immigration agent? where does the mic...

Colorlines.com. i'm so excited to have you here tonight. >> great to be here, thanks. >> you and i had an e-mail communication more than a month ago when you sent out the color lines report about immigration policy and particularly this administration's immigration policy. and then i heard, you know, newt gingrich talking about immigration policy on the gop side last night. i'm interested. take us from that level of how it hurts the economy. tell me about families. what difference does this make to human beings living on the ground under these policies? >> newt gingrich understands that immigr...