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For people appropriately to behave differently in those different circumstances. >> but looking at all of these accounts that say it just doesn't help to behave differently under the circumstances. you're unswayed by that in your own personal experience, you think it does help to use more extreme practices. >> well, we -- i was back in happier era as director of central intelligence. not only did we not have interrogations of prisoners, we didn't have any prisoners. this was '93, '94, '95. i'm no expert at interrogation law. we didn't have to get into that. but i do think it's really very shor...

But also very much collecting intelligence, we are told, about isis, about the sun sun my militant fighters where their weapons are, how they're moving around. one of the reasons we're not seeing air strikes is because the u.s. still lacks real clarity on the intelligence picture for the isis fighters. it's been very difficult to track them. they move around a lot. you know, the videos show it's guys on the ground with, you know, pick-up trucks and ak-47s and machine guns. this is a very difficult thing to target. so the u.s. wants to get more intelligence. these military advisors will do some...

Risk in doing it. the main problem about this group is it has a bomb maker who can put bombs on planes and can't be detected. >> they tell cnn the video is recent. they are analyzing it to learn if any new attacks are being plotted. criticism to ease drop on muslims. it details where they ate, prayed and shopped. the nypd defended the operation of collecting intelligence. the new mayor and police commissioner abo bonbandoned it. an accused killer, frazier glenn cross, known as frazier glenn miller is facing murder charges in the shooting deaths of three people outside a jewish center in ka...

Coming soon on these slides. clearly there are technical issues they've got to solve. but there are ways that the companies can negotiate the access and the conditions. >> do you think that disclosing the contours of this program in the way that you have interferes with the ability of this program to continue or helps anybody who wants to evade this form of surveillance evade it? >> it's a matter of public record already that u.s. government asks u.s. companies to cooperate when it's collecting intelligence about foreign threats and foreign communications. the u.s. government has said that all...

To have a fight, so there's a prolonged negotiation. the companies have a lot of room for maneuver. so there's a five-year gap between the time that microsoft joins and the time that apple, which is the last of them join. apparently dropbox is said to be coming soon on these slides. clearly there are technical issues they have to solve, but p÷ companies can negotiate the access and the conditions. >> do you think that disclosing the contours of this program in a way that you have interferes with the ability of this program to continue or helps anybody who wants to evade this form of surveilla...