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We're seeing is when he makes jokes like, hey, when you put the hand on the back of their head to make sure they're not injured when taking them into custody, stop doing that. it's clear he's saying that's not the law enforcement we like. we like law enforcement that instills fear. when you do that, you make communities less safe. i cannot overstate how frustrating it is that jim comey, who among other things, was one of the first to say the fbi should begin collecting statistics. we should know what we're doing. he's the one who's out. arpaio and clarke who've said statistics make it too toug...

Repercussions. isn't the problem a lack of punishment of those who do wrong rather than needing just new training? >> well, i think certainly training is an important part of it. building up that trust, i think is certainly a part of it. but i think we also have to look at the way in which people are judged. police officers are judged. and that there is, in fact, a problem there. that is something we need to address. but, again, i think something we need to look at honestly. what are the statistics? the numbers of people involved in these kinds of shootings. are there deficiencies that we are ...

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