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His social list program, it is number three on the times best seller list. it talks a lot about wisconsin and this fight. this is a fight that is only superficially about finances. what it really is about is what karl said, education. because americans realize that it is only by limiting the power of the teachers union that you can get rid of bad teachers promote good ones and give parents choice. now that walker has taken those issues off the table in the collective bargaining process, real education reform can happen. there is no more potent issue at the state level than education reform. wa...

[ talking over each other ] >> it would behoove everybody not to go back historically and look at certain figures. i would say this about the governor of wisconsin, the last persona took collective bargaining away was carl marx. i won't call him a marxist. >> sean: fdr didn't want it. >> that's alle-. history. he did not want it for public and safety employees who do not have it now. >> they are calling critics of unions and collective bargaining process they are calling stalin and hitler. unions and collective bargaining that's not a right that's a privilege. >> it's a right. >> unions were c...

[ talking over each other ] >> it would behoove everybody not to go back historically and look at certain figures. i would say this about the governor of wisconsin, the last persona took collective bargaining away was carl marx. i won't call him a marxist. >> sean: fdr didn't want it. >> that's alle-. history. he did not want it for public and safety employees who do not have it now. >> they are calling critics of unions and collective bargaining process they are calling stalin and hitler. unions and collective bargaining that's not a right that's a privilege. >> it's a right. >> unions were c...

Agenda passed. two interesting things here. number one, president obama is pretty neutralized because jimmy carter and the democratic congress gutted the federal workers union in 197. and the president has made no attempt to -- doesn't even talk about it i don't even know if he knew about it i didn't know about it until friday. he is neutralized on that area. number two, there are a lot of independents who are union people sympathize with union people, even some conservative, police, fire, this and that going you know, we don't want this. we don't want to have the unions gutted there is a lot ...

The term, you know, collective bargaining, collective bargaining rights. and the idea of taking them away doesn't poll very well. now, the polls are mixed on this issue, but they have made some headway with the public. i would say this about it, bill. that in wisconsin, the governor and the republicans out there, if they are going to come out ahead in the long run on this fight and even perhaps on the short run, they need to see this through. they need to pass this measure. they need to curtail these bargaining -- collective bargaining rights to some extent. they need to win. if they do, i thi...